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Added Oct 13, 2009As I broach my late thirties and witness my girlfriends enter motherhood one by one, I'm faced with the repeated question: "So, when are YOU planning to start a family?"
If I answer partially honest and say, "I'm not sold on the whole kid thing yet," I tend to get two one of two responses:
A. "Well when you have kids you'll understand it's the greatest thing on earth." Or...
B. "There's not much time left, you better make your decision quick!"
What if my answer is, I just don't want to have kids, plain and simple?
No offense to my friends and family that have their own, frankly, I truly do enjoy hanging out with kids once they turn old enough to speak. And although I think babies are cute, I don't feel that unyielding maternal urge. Am I supposed to?
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By Karyn Polewaczyk, Oct 13, 2009
Due to a reproductive disorder, I was faced with the prospect of not being able to conceive biological children at a very early age, and thus decided to grieve the loss of not having children at an early age. Ironically, though, I, too, have never been completely sold on having children - I even said things like this in high school, way before I was diagnosed with endometriosis - and given that my system has already given me so much emotional and physical pain, I don't know if it's a choice I want to make. I'm open to the concept of adoption, but feel that having children is a decision I'd want to be 110% sure about before moving forward.
I agree that it's not just annoying - it's infuriating - when people push their birthing agendas upon you. There are so many factors that go into the equation, that it seems almost ridiculous that someone would even dare to cross that line. Having children, getting married, owning a house - these are all choices that may work for some, and they may not work for others. Plain and simple.
By Zoe B, Oct 14, 2009
I also feel a weird pressure to have children although I don't feel that "maternal instinct" yet. I guess it's because of my age (I'm nearing 40) and now when I look around me all I see are women with strollers.
Often I feel alone in my ambivalence to have kids. My friends that have just turned into new moms say the experience is life changing and gives everything new meaning. That kinda pulls me in, but at the same time, when I go to a restaurant and the kid sitting across the room is having a meltdown I say to myself, thank God I'm not that mom.
I always pictured myself a career girl. And now that the economy is in a slump, my career is as well. Which mixes up my feelings about children even more. What makes things worse is this whole biological clock thing. Didn't Annie Leibowitz have a child at 50?
Can anyone recommend a good book on this subject? I feel like it's a small club with very few members.
By Lalyn M, Oct 14, 2009
Yeah, I have the same inquiries, pressures and even weird pauses whenever my answers are any of the following;
a. I don't have enough energy, resources and support system to raise a kid in this country.
b. Can't have kids yet, busy establishing a career first.
c. Hubby and I are not ready yet.
d. The earth is so over populated already.
There are always the pressure about biological clock and not having visitors when your old and frail living at a retirement home. Which I usually answer with, what's the use of living will, medical directives and end of life planning then? Are we not supposed to be the one planning for that or is it the duty of our potential kids? This is when I get the weird pause or silence.
I like kids and even have maternal urges but I have seen many unhappy kids in my life that I kind of want to really think about it and re-examine my real agenda of having a baby, how to deliver a baby in a more holistic way, how to raise them properly, how to not disappoint or burden them with future expectations. It is overwhelming! I don't think I'll have the energy, really. That's why I always admire brave moms and dads out there. Bless their heart and may the force be with them.
By Kitty, Oct 14, 2009
I have to say NO! You are not "supposed to" feel the need to procreate. Thats what seperates us from animals, the ability to make choices and not be pre-programmed with basic instincts like that.
I am 30 and back in school to start a new career. I have been married to my husband for 10yrs now and people are all asking me when we are going to have kids, well we just arent going to! I have NO interest.
I hate it when people tell me that I will change my mind eventually when I get older. Isnt that like the worst idea in the world? Or how about when they tell you how sad that is. Whats sad about the idea of devoting my time to all the OTHER inmportant people in my life, like my husband and friends. People often make it seem that somehow because we have chosen to not have children our lives will some how be less full and rich.
Well here is my take on things and call me selfish if you want. I would rather take a trip to Paris with my hubby than Disneyland with the kids. I like my quite nights snuggling by the fire with a glass of wine, I like sleeping in till noon on a day off and snuggling in bed. These are all things that you cannot do with kids!
Not to mention kids are expensive. I get scared when I see people who can barely string together rent each month talking about having kids! Lets face it people should realy stop and ask themselves "can we afford kids?" Sounds awful but in the end who suffers the most in situations where there is not enough money, the kids.
Having children is a very serious decision and it SHOULD be a decision! Not just giving into some overwhealming desire, do that when it comes to brownies not children!
By Lisa B, Oct 15, 2009
As a 53 year old woman who never gave birth, maybe I can help. I was a career woman and now I am not. Still not worried that I never gave birth. At 45, my then husband passed away. Horrible and sad, but I did not regret the fact that we had a lovely life together without children. For the past 10 years, I have been with a man who had two sons. My stepsons are one of the great gifts I have been given and because I had no children previously, our relationship is deep and quite simple. Still no regrets. Be true to yourself every minute of your life. Make the best decision you can at the moment and don't worry about what might have been or what might be.
By Jacquetta Szathmari, Oct 15, 2009
I am also married and 30-esque and still do not feel the urge to have children despite the attempted outside pressure- I say attempted because it's more like a mosquito buzzing in my ear and not really so effective in making me feel pressure. However, if I do decide to have children, I am fairly certain that I will use a surrogate. As un-pc as it my sound the last thing I want to do is actually be pregnant and thanks to the miracle of modern science-I don't have to be. This releases me somewhat from B (the ticking clock). A friend of mine in the same predicament is considering freezing eggs just in case she changes her mind. Okay all of this I suppose does remove the mystery and wonder of conception/pregnancy/childbrith etc. but if the end goal is to child does it matter how you arrive there? Okay, not to me. And for the record, I don't think babies in general are that cute- some may be but I have seem some horror shows being pushed down Park Ave in doublewide SUV strollers.. I do however love kids ages 5-10. When I taught I found those children to be the most refreshing to be around. So maybe I can birth some perpetual elementary school kids- can they do that yet? I think this is a great discussion. Glad to see it here on our site. Thx.
By Cheryl W, Oct 15, 2009
Great comments. I am 53 and childless by choice. I agree whole heartedly with each lady's response here. I have NO REGRETS. The only thing I have to plan for is who will help me when I am to old to be left alone. I never had any mother instinct for humans BUT most people who know me say I am very much a "Mother Nature" type. In the last 7 years I have devoted myself to baby animals, in particular sheep. I find bottle feeding and hand raising sheep and goats extremely rewarding and not once have I wanted a human baby. I enjoy the freedom to come and go, and do as I please far to much. I did get some child rearing under my belt, my third husband had 2 children that were 8 and 10 when I married him and we had them every other weekend and every Wednesday night as so many divorced families do. That more than confirmed that I made the right choice to not have children of my own. The complications of having additional children on my side either from a previous marriage or with that husband would NOT have been easy. And, Yes, people did comment about the ticking clock, and ask when I was going to have my own. I simply told them the truth....that I don't like babies. I feel they have to like me for who I am ...or NOT. If someone finds that offensive, I probably would not have enough in common with them to call them a friend anyway.
By Beth Schoenfeldt, Oct 15, 2009
I always dreamed of having children and my little guy is my greatest blessing. That said, it is a ton of work and really changes everything. Wait until you are sure and ready is my best advice!!
By cnyspagirl, Oct 15, 2009
You're right Christina - it does tend to be a taboo subject. It's a very personal decision and is also very private - but yet no one hesitates to ask the question "when are you planning on having kids?" or worse, when you go to a baby shower and you are asked "are you next?"
So at the risk of opening myself up to criticism, here goes some thoughts on this subject.
When I first met my husband, his sister and sister in law (both married) immediately started asking when we were getting engaged. When we got engaged, they began pressing us for a wedding date. We were barely down the aisle yet (OK, a bit of an exaggeration) when they wanted to know - you guessed it, when we'd be having kids. By then, they each had 2-3 kids.
So here's my take on this. Once people find themselves married, they tend to want to generate interest among others to get married too. Now maybe this is because they think that marriage is sooooo wonderful, they just want everybody to be as happy as they are. But I also think that there is a little bit of another type of mentality going on too - maybe marriage is a bit tough, or a bit limiting (duh, right?) or no doubt you have less freedom - an people want their friends to join that club too.
Then, the children are born. And children are, no doubt, WAY bigger of an adjustment than marriage is. So now talk about freedom being limited and not being able to do what you want, when you want to - now it's really important to have others join that boat with you.
Having two kids was always in the plan. But I loved my "dual income, no kids" married life, it became so easy NOT to try for a child. But a deal is a deal, so I took the leap into motherhood not quite 4 years after our wedding. It took me a very long time to stop mourning the loss of my old life - years, in fact.
Many of our friends had children who were older than ours so we were always out of sync. Our son was in diapers, their kids were school age. Our son is school age, their kids are in high school and college. At ages 40 (me) and 50 (husband), many of our friends and acquaintances are experiencing empty nest syndrome as their kids go off to college and we still have a 2nd grader. then he got out of diapers, off formula, out of a crib and reached so many "milestones", we started to get some of our old life back. I had no interest in having a second child, so we stopped at one. For me, this is a fantastic compromise. I have a child who is the center of our universe, BUT still get to have experiences that don't solely revolve around raising children because we don't have the expense and time commitment of multiple children.
And about that biological clock? It's not like it used to be. Women are waiting longer and longer to have children. With modern science, just about anything is possible. Don't let that rush your decision and more importantly, don't let the repeated question make you feel bad or pressured. When you are asked the dreaded question, come up with a great response that will shut em up and shut em down. It really is a very private matter.
By Carolyn Schlicher, Oct 16, 2009
I don't know if IR has EVER had a discussion with this many responses! Obviously, you hit a nerve, Christina.
I'm sorry that you all have felt pressured to have children or at least looked at like you are aliens when you don't have them or don't want to have them. (I'm trying to remember back and hoping I won't find anyone I ever did this to. If I did, an apology is in order!)
I also hope that the majority of people in your lives that have said this to you really were coming from hearts that cared about your well being and happiness. If they weren't (and I believe we all can usually tell this), then who cares anyway?
My brother and his wife decided early on that they didn't want kids and even took steps to make sure it didn't happen. They have been able to travel all they wanted, start several businesses, buy the house they dreamed of, pursue hobbies they denied themselves when they were younger, and give to organizations they are committed to. Seeing their happiness is wonderful for me, because that's truly what I want for them.
On the flip side of this whole issue are those of us with big families who get asked by well-meaning people, "Why did you want such a big family?" or "Oh, were the last 2 accidents?" or even, "Well, you chose to have so many kids so you can't complain when you can't have what you want right now." (Yes, really!)
Next time we're all asked "the" question, perhaps the best answer for us to use is a simple, "Because it's right for me."
By Kel in Boston, Oct 16, 2009
There are some really good books out there on this subject, but I think the majority of key points are already raised by the comments above.
For me, I'm childfree (not childless) at this point by choice. At some point, under the right circumstances, I'd like to have a kid. But that point may or may not come. Until then, I consider myself childfree. It's a more positive term, and it implies 'choice' as opposed to having the situation forced on you.
A good friend of mine is VERY articulate and open about her choice to be childfree. When people ask her, 'oh, do you have children?' she replies, 'no, I have disposable income.'
That usually shuts them right up. :>
By Amy L, Oct 19, 2009
I never did either, and decided on the spur of the moment - literally and it...well caught. However, I would have been okay with being childless as well. When asked why I didn't want kids, my top reason was, I love my sleep! I also loved moving cross country on a whim - within a days decision - one suitcase of clothes, the other of my writing with little else save a plane ticket and a job offer for care-taking.
And I loved how I could go to the movies at any time - on a whim without planning - haven't gone in years - or on a date - kind of the single mom in a marriage syndrome...but I love it...another adventure. But had I not made that choice I would have had other adventures!
I think its perfectly okay not to want kids - everyone is individual. However as for those who say its going to be too late soon - one, there are so many kids - from 3-17 without a home or parents who still cry each night for a forever home - and I had my baby @ 36 and he was very healthy. People are living longer - living longer and aging differently - staying young longer.
By The Barefoot Sage, Oct 19, 2009
Love this topic, Christina.
Don't let anyone tell you what you are supposed to feel or not feel. Ooops I just told you what to do ;)
There are many people who do not want children. Unfortunately, more than actually remain childless. Too many people give in to pressure and expectations and all - the children, the parents and society - suffer from the result.
If people really love children they will stop expecting everyone to have them. They will want them to be born into homes where they are wanted and the parents have the skills to care for them.
Kids are not the greatest thing on earth for everyone. For some they are simply a drain, a distraction, an obligation, a last attempt at keeping a relationship together, etc.
With an overpopulated planet and the environmental price of having children it would be nice if more people would actually put as much time into making the decision of having a child as they put into what car to buy.
My personal childfree story - I have never wanted to have children. I have often enjoyed working with them; especially older ones. When I was younger (and occasionally still) I received the ignorant comments about how that will change. At 38, I still enjoy kids and I still do not want to have any. No regrets here.
By Katherine C, Oct 29, 2009
Living in San Francisco, I think I'm pretty lucky. Not only do I have "breeder" friends who understand that being childFREE doesn't mean that I am missing out on something but I also I have a supportive group of independent, savvy women who have decided to be childfree as well. From my breeder friends, I have the opportunity to help my friends model good behavior - the closest thing to having a maternal urge. From my childfree women friends, I can go out and have a good time and not have to explain myself.
Where I do have problems being childfree is trying to explain it to my traditional Asian parents. Although my brother and I are both in our 30s, my parents are concerned that physically (and genetically) it becomes harder for me to have a child with each passing year.
I thought I had made it clear to my parents that I don't want to have any children, but somehow as they get older, they have either forgotten or they are choosing not to remember. Every time I see them, they tell me how important it is for me to have at least 1 child. To which, I just don't say anything. I guess I'm taking a less confrontational approach and just letting my clock run out without procreating.
I'm really glad you asked this question and I'm really grateful to everyone who has replied, especially the folks in their 50s who chose to remain childfree.
By Kimberly C, Nov 01, 2009
People who press others to have children often don't look beyond the biological process to what it truly means to be a parent. Men and women often rush into marriage with the goal of "having a family" without taking the time to carefully think about whether that partnership would in fact provide the foundation necessary upon which to build a healthy happy family. . I've heard more than on man complain that the women look at them as nothing more than a wallet and a sperm bank. Even if you truly love someone, that doesn't mean they will be a good parent. Sometimes I think people rush to having children because they haven't pursued other passions that would provide meaning to their lives.
By cnyspagirl, Nov 01, 2009
This thread just keeps getting better and better - so many different viewpoints and responses make an incredibly rich discussion. This is almost as good as the "working mom / stay at home mom" debate. Do I dare go there? Or is that a taboo subject too?
By sally a, Nov 10, 2009
This topic is very compelling. As a long time single senior mother of three I have to put in a word about "been there done that". No it is not easy being a mom. It is not always very rewarding. It limits you in many ways. On the other hand when you watch those children grow and develop into amazing people it makes your heart sing and all the sacrifices are well worth it. Had I decided never to have children I would not now have the amazing joy and honor of having a daughter like Christina. Think twice about this decision...
By Laura S, Nov 17, 2009
I recently wrote a book on this topic titled Two is Enough: A Couple's Guide to Living Childless by Choice by Laura S. Scott.
Seventy five percent of the women I surveyed where motivated to remain childfree because "I have no desire to have a child, no maternal instinct."
After three years of research on this topic I have come to the conclusion that some woman will never have the desire for children of their own. Some choose to surround themselves with other people's children (I did interview more than a few teachers) but they feel strongly that they are happier without biological children.
The concensus I see here in these comments is that you need to do what you think is right for you and not bow to pressure from peers and family, many who imagine you will regret not having children. In my study and in other studies of the childless by choice, I did not see evidence of regret.
By Sara S, Nov 17, 2009
Well it looks like I may be one of quite a different response on this subject!
I am a 30 year old mother of 3 young boys. They are the absolute love of my life. You just can't ever know how you will feel about a child unless you have one. It's life changing, amazing, wonderful, honestly, there is no better thing on this earth. Honestly.
However, that said, if a child is truly something you have no no no desire for, then please, don't have one. And if by "chance" you do, please give them to someone who wants one so desperately and can't because of physical limitations.
I hope to have more. If I didn't gain more weight than healthy when pregnant, I would be completely quiver full and let God give them to me whenever. I have never taken an artificial mean of birth control and will never surgical alter my beautifully functioning female organs, which is as UN NATURAL as I could ever think, for simply preventing a miracle. A child. If it were for health reasons, of course that would be a different story.
There is no better euphoria than delivering a baby. You wlll never forget where you were when you felt that first contraction, what you were watching, listening to, the aroma of the air, the temperature. It is just amazing. There is no love like that of a child for you and no love like the love you have for your child.
Once your career, figure, beauty have passed...children will be there, their love, their companionship, their visits, and that love will continue as they bring grandchildren, great grandchildren, etc into your life.
The world will not be overpopulated. Eventually no matter what we do, this earth will be no more. Why don't we enjoy it while it's here.
By Sara S, Nov 21, 2009
one more comment....the risk of cancers...female cancers in general, DRAMTICALLY go down with bearing children. Must be a reason our Creator meant for us to have children! :)
By Kimberly C, Dec 03, 2009
I think it's wrong to assume that a woman who chooses not to have children lacks a maternal instinct. People go on about the amazing love you feel when you hold your own child in your arms. I would argue that for some it is possible to feel that love when they see children who are already here who need to be mothered.
I used to work at a GED school with teenagers who had been kicked out of public schools, many of whom had parents who did not care about them. That experience led me to make the choice that whatever resources I had to nurture a human being would go to children who were already here and alone. Biology doesn't always dictate a strong connection and if extended our concept of love beyond those who are in our immediate circle, this might be a more loving world in general.
By Anita S, Dec 14, 2009
I'm a mom of one, but I don't ever push the whole having children thing at my friends or anyone else. I find it very rude of people to push their expectations at you.
You know what's best for you. :)
I get a very similar push from strangers and those that don't know me that well about having another one. We only want to have one and that for some reason is as bad as not having one.
When I didn't have any children I would just reply that I'm a great aunt and like it that way.
By RJM, Jan 13, 2010
Very much appreciate this topic being raised and the candor and generosity of all the responses. For a myriad of reasons there has not been any responses from men.... please allow me to be the first.
When I was in my late teens and early twenties I recall my male friends started discussing marriage and family - having children - and while the marriage part resonated with me - the having children part did not - and it never has... it was never a choice made it was simply a given... the thought/idea of wanting to have children never resonated with me. Those “cells” were absent. And that has not changed as the years have passed.
Have to admit that as I approached my thirties for a time I often questioned my "motives." Yet with all the questioning the bottom line never changed - while I could have children - I had no desire to have children.
While in my thirties a new set of single and married friends entered my circle and many had the drive to have children and I would often feel like an alien in their presence. They could not comprehend my lack of desire and I could not resonate with their desire to propagate.
Well here I am many years later and have no remorse about my decision. I trust all my friends are happy with their chose’s… and my best wishes to their children… and if they choose… their children’s children.
By Renee J, Jan 30, 2010
My kids are the greatest things on earth! It's funny, because I never "planned" my children, in fact, if my husband and I weren't so fertile I wouldn't have had any.
Now that I do I kind of want everyone I love to have kids too, simply because if they did, they would feel that their kids are the best things that ever happened to them. Of course, I avoid asking them and nagging, because it's ridiculous. I just feel joy for anyone who does have them!
Should you choose to have kids, you will feel that way too. But if you don't have any you won't have to make compromises and endless sacrifices and that is worth it too. It is a huge adjustment- I think even more so for women than men. And if you don't want to do it then don't. I think if you were straight forward and said "look, i don't want kids," people would respect that and quit bugging you!
By Ruth O, Feb 18, 2010
You should have kids if you want them, and NOT have them if it isn't what you want to commit yourself to for (potentially) the rest of your life. There are already too many people on the planet...nobody should be feeling pressure to have children that they don't really want to have! This is the modern world...going childless is a perfectly acceptable choice!